There's no mistake in her mind that it was Greek. But I don't understand how that provides any significant link to paleo-Christian practice. If you are drawn to psychedelics, in my mind, it means you're probably drawn to contemplative mysticism. They're mixing potions. Did the Early Church Use Psychedelics? - Substack So I don't write this to antagonize them or the church, the people who, again, ushered me into this discipline and into these questions. Nage ?] But I don't hold-- I don't hang my hat on that claim. Do the drugs, Dr. Stang? Then what was the Gospel of John, how did it interpret the Eucharist and market it, and so on. And so in some of these psychedelic trials, under the right conditions, I do see genuine religious experiences. CHARLES STANG: Well, Mr, Muraresku, you are hedging your bets here in a way that you do not necessarily hedge your bets in the book. An actual spiked wine. In May of last year, researchers published what they believe is the first archaeochemical data for the use of psychoactive drugs in some form of early Judaism. 36:57 Drug-spiked wine . And I'm happy to see we have over 800 people present for this conversation. So at the very-- after the first half of the book is over, there's an epilogue, and I say, OK, here's the evidence. So I was obsessed with this stuff from the moment I picked up an article in The Economist called the God Pill back in 2007. So that's from Burkert, a very sober scholar and the dean of all scholarship on Greek religion. And then was, in some sense, the norm, the original Eucharist, and that it was then suppressed by orthodox, institutional Christianity, who persecuted, especially the women who were the caretakers of this tradition. First I'll give the floor to Brian to walk us into this remarkable book of his and the years of hard work that went into it, what drove him to do this. But if the original Eucharist were psychedelic, or even if there were significant numbers of early Christians using psychedelics like sacrament, I would expect the representatives of orthodox, institutional Christianity to rail against it. Throughout his five books he talks about wine being mixed with all kinds of stuff, like frankincense and myrrh, relatively innocuous stuff, but also less innocuous things like henbane and mandrake, these solanaceous plants which he specifically says is fatal. But it was not far from a well-known colony in [INAUDIBLE] that was founded by Phocians. And I think what the pharmaceutical industry can do is help to distribute this medicine. But I'm pressing you because that's my job. Amazon.com: Customer reviews: The Immortality Key: The Secret History So those are all possibly different questions to ask and answer. Rather, Christian beliefs were gradually incorporated into the pagan customs that already existed there. So that, actually, is the key to the immortality key. I'd never thought before about how Christianity developed as an organized religion in the centuries after Jesus' murder. 40:15 Witches, drugs, and the Catholic Church . BRIAN MURARESKU: Great question. At Cambridge University he worked in developmental biolo. Brian C. Muraresku - Priory Of Sion So this whole water to wine thing was out there. Even a little bit before Gobekli Tepe, there was another site unearthed relatively recently in Israel, at the Rakefet cave. But what I hear from people, including atheists, like Dina Bazer, who participated in these Hopkins NYU trials is that she felt like on her one and only dose of psilocybin that she was bathed in God's love. That's, just absurd. I don't know why it's happening now, but we're finally taking a look. And what the FDA can do is make sure that they're doing it in a way that it's absolutely safe and efficacious. So the event happens, when all the wines run out, here comes Jesus, who's referred to in the Gospels as an [SPEAKING GREEK] in Greek, a drunkard. The Immortality Key: The Secret History of the Religion with No Name Is there a smoking gun? And so part of what it means to be a priest or a minister or a rabbi is to sit with the dying and the dead. So frankly, what happens during the Neolithic, we don't know, at least from a scientific vantage. I'm paraphrasing this one. Not in every single case, obviously. Because my biggest question is, and the obvious question of the book is, if this was happening in antiquity, what does that mean for today? And if it's one thing Catholicism does very, very well, it's contemplative mysticism. Let's move to early Christian. I go out of my way, in both parts of the book, which, it's divided into the history of beer and the history of wine, essentially. So your presentation of early Christianity inclines heavily toward the Greek world. Newsweek calls him "the world's best human guinea pig," and The New York Times calls him "a cross between Jack Welch and a Buddhist monk." In this show, he deconstructs world-class . The mysteries of Dionysus, a bit weirder, a bit more off the grid. I mean, what-- my big question is, what can we say about the Eucharist-- and maybe it's just my weird lens, but what can we say about it definitively in the absence of the archaeochemstry or the archaeobotany? Brian is the author of a remarkable new book that has garnered a lot of attention and has sold a great many copies. Because very briefly, I think Brian and others have made a very strong case that these things-- this was a biotechnology that was available in the ancient world. Well, let's get into it then. And nor do I think that you can characterize southern Italy as ground zero for the spirit of Greek mysticism, or however you put it. So we move now into ancient history, but solidly into the historical record, however uneven that historical record is. That is my dog Xena. Because what tends to happen in those experiences is a death and rebirth. You want to field questions in both those categories? And so with a revised ancient history, in place Brian tacks back to the title of our series, Psychedelics and the Future of Religion. Now, the great scholar of Greek religion, Walter Burkert, you quote him as musing, once-- and I'm going to quote him-- he says, "it may rather be asked, even without the prospect of a certain answer, whether the basis of the mysteries, they were prehistoric drug rituals, some festival imp of immortality which, through the expansion of consciousness, seemed to guarantee some psychedelic beyond." #646: Brian C. Muraresku with Dr. Mark Plotkin The Eleusinian What was the real religion of the ancient Greeks? We know from the literature hundreds of years beforehand that in Elis, for example, in the Western Peloponnese, on the same Epiphany-type timeline, January 5, January 6, the priests would walk into the temple of Dionysus, leave three basins of water, the next morning they're miraculously transformed into wine. Newsweek calls him 'the world's best human guinea pig,' and The New York Times calls him 'a cross between Jack Welch and a Buddhist monk.' In this show, he deconstructs world-class performers from eclectic areas (investing, chess, pro sports, etc . These sources suggest a much greater degree of continuity with pre-Christian values and practice than the writings of more . Just from reading Dioscorides and reading all the different texts, the past 12 years have absolutely transformed the way I think about wine. When you start testing, you find things. That event is already up on our website and open for registration. Thank you. And what we find at this farmhouse is a sanctuary that Enriqueta Pons herself, the archaeologist who's been on site since 1990, she calls it some kind of sanctuary dedicated to the goddesses of the mysteries. Do you think that by calling the Eucharist a placebo that you're likely to persuade them? He calls it a drug against grief in Greek, [SPEAKING GREEK]. This book by Brian Muraresku, attempts to answer this question by delving into the history of ancient secret religions dating back thousands of years. Hard archaeobotanical, archaeochemical data, I haven't seen it. Wonderful, well, thank you. BRIAN MURARESKU: I'm asked this question, I would say, in pretty much every interview I've done since late September. I think the wine certainly does. So if you don't think that you are literally consuming divine blood, what is the point of religion? It was it was barley, water, and something else. Which turns out, it may be they were. If you look at Dioscorides, for example, his Materia Medica, that's written in the first century AD around the same time that the Gospels themselves are being written. And what do you believe happens to you when you do that? Then I see the mysteries of Dionysus as kind of the Burning Man or the Woodstock of the ancient world. The same Rome that circumstantially shows up, and south of Rome, where Constantine would build his basilicas in Naples and Capua later on. This time, tonight I'll say that it's just not my time yet. And that is that there was a pervasive religion, ancient religion, that involved psychedelic sacraments, and that that pervasive religious culture filtered into the Greek mysteries and eventually into early Christianity. We still have almost 700 with us. And there you also found mortars that were tested and also tested positive for evidence of brewing. Now the archaeologist of that site says-- I'm quoting from your book-- "For me, the Villa Vesuvio was a small farm that was specifically designed for the production of drugs." These mysteries had at their center a sacrament called kykeon, which offered a vision of the mysteries of life and death. That's all just fancy wordplay. Let me just pull up my notes here. I see it as-- well, OK, I'd see it as within a minority. There's all kinds of reasons I haven't done it. In the first half, we'll cover topics ranging from the Eleusinian Mysteries, early Christianity, and the pagan continuity hypothesis to the work of philosopher and psychologist William James. And all along, I invite you all to pose questions to Brian in the Q&A function. #646: Brian C. Muraresku with Dr. Mark Plotkin The Eleusinian Mysteries, Discovering the Divine, The Immortality Key, The Pagan Continuity Hypothesis, Lessons from Scholar Karen Armstrong, and Much More And there were gaps as well. And all we know-- I mean, we can't decipher sequence by sequence what was happening. Here's what we don't. The Tim Ferriss Show - #646: Brian C. Muraresku with Dr. Mark Plotkin There's also this hard evidence that comes out of an archaeological site outside of Pompeii, if I have it correct. Biblical Entheogens: a Speculative Hypothesis - ResearchGate So let's start, then, the first act. So I want to propose that we stage this play in two acts. I appreciate this. BRIAN MURARESKU: I would say I've definitely experienced the power of the Christ and the Holy Spirit. That's staying within the field of time. I don't think we have found it. And what about the alleged democratization with which you credit the mysteries of Dionysus, or the role of women in that movement?
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